Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

Waethorn — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:50:58 GMT

"As Paul states, where's the outrage? And where's common sense?"

I thought Obama was supposed to be about change....

Nothing different about frivolous spending in the new gub'ment.

They should've sold and outsourced all the mortgage and insurance business to China. Done. Problem solved. Nobody in debt except mortgage and insurance workers (and their overpayed executive scumbag bosses). Big loss there.... :P

Now if only they could take on lawyers too....

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

DRWAM — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:36:32 GMT

Ya know, there are some good ideas from this peanut gallery indicating knowledge is readily available. So how in the frak can executives of the big car makers, getting paid hundreds of thousands, to millions of dollars, come up with such bad ideas? They would be consumers as well and should know the needs of the 'people'. And we just gave those bozos more money to piss away again. As Paul states, where's the outrage? And where's common sense?

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

Waethorn — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:19:45 GMT

"the Brits do not pronounce Lara and Laura as you described."

Ask anyone with a Westminster accent, and they'll tell you you're wrong, but in fewer words.

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

RobertC — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:29:05 GMT

Waethorn, the Brits do not pronounce Lara and Laura as you described.

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

Waethorn — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:10:08 GMT

"most people incorrectly prounounce the fish, betta, the same as the Greek letter, beta."

Actually, in a real Greek accent, the word is pronounced more like "bet-uh", not "bay-tuh" as is the North American English patois.

It's like how Brit's say "Lara" as "Laura", and "Laura" as "LO-ra".

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

lotsamystuff — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:01:11 GMT

"@"lotsamystuff" - Obviously, you have not installed the W7 beta"

Nope. I'm still using XP Professional, and I'm not about to mess around with the beta. I'll probably buy a new system when Vista 1.1 (Paul's words, not mine) is finalized.

"most people incorrectly prounounce the fish, betta, the same as the Greek letter, beta."

Yes, they do. Why would anyone encourage this?

"Or, it was just a jab at Paul..."

Well, Duh. ;-)

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

tayme — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:49:58 GMT

@"lotsamystuff" - Obviously, you have not installed the W7 beta...the betta is the default wallpaper upon installation...probably because most people incorrectly prounounce the fish, betta, the same as the Greek letter, beta.

Or, it was just a jab at Paul...

--tayme

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

Dipsh t Admin — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:48:54 GMT

tayme, you are correct in regards to the pricing. There is no price that they can offer that will appease everyone.

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

Waethorn — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:48:45 GMT

"Business and Enterprise are almost identical features wise thus they could be merged in one edition which will have different licensing.

If Enterprise and Business have significant enough differences then the need of 2 editions could be justified."

I already explained this.

Bitlocker, SUA, MUI, and the 4 VM client licenses which are worth quite a bit by themself.

You get Enterprise as another Software Assurance benefit only. You can't really say it's a whole new edition, as Software Assurance would be applied to your already-present Windows Vista Business licensing. If they called it "Windows Vista Software Assurance Feature Pack" instead, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

lotsamystuff — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:35:11 GMT

I was trying to figure out why Paul has the image Chinese Fighting Fish on his banner.

Then I realized he was confusing the more common name for the fish ("betta", pronounced "bet-uh") with "beta".

I bet he pronounces "chic" as "chick" too.

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

DRWAM — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:33:47 GMT

I like timiteh and subzerohitman's ideas. the netbook version seems like a winner, as well as support for a bootable flash drive. The abilty to install on 2 or 3 computers could be a good selling point as well, similar to student versions of Office. More is better so we would not need to pay for another license for the other family computers.

I guess we are talking upgrades to existing systems in that respect. Personally, I am very reluctant to upgrade as are many friends, since everything works tosuit our needs. I have no stats to tell me how many geeks actually want the latest and greatest, but XP suited many, so they probably did not feel the need to spend more on the latest OS.

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

timiteh — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:33:05 GMT

"Nobody seems to understand that. Saying that is like saying Home Basic and Home Premium are the same."

Not really ,as the Home Basic was quite limited compared to Home Premium.Business and Enterprise are almost identical features wise thus they could be merged in one edition which will have different licensing.

If Enterprise and Business have significant enough differences then the need of 2 editions could be justified.

However with different licensing there is no need for 2 editions.

"OEM's pay about that amount already anyway. System Builders pay more (see my previous comment)."

Then the Netbook licensing should enable licenses at $30.

The important thing is not to increase too much the price of Windows 7 based netbooks even if several would have the edge other Linux based netbooks,for exampel the netbooks with multitouch screen. However at $200,Linux based ARM powered netbooks will be incredibly attractive and more advanced capabilities would not be enough to justify a too important price gap between them and Windows 7 based netbooks.

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

tayme — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:18:55 GMT

If Microsoft were to lower the price to anything under $100 dollars, the competition would be screaming that it is an unfair advantage...guaranteed! If they charge more than $129, they will be shouting, "Look how much MS charges for Windows"...so, it seems that the sweet spot is $100-$129...and of course, if they price it in that range, they will be accused of copying Apple on price point, since they are already copying them by releasing an incremental upgrade as a new version and charging for it.

--tayme

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

Waethorn — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:13:10 GMT

"Enterprise edition is redundant with Professional, so..."

Nobody seems to understand that. Saying that is like saying Home Basic and Home Premium are the same. If you wanted the features in Home Premium, would you take Home Basic instead?

"I agree but Microsoft should offer a special OEM licensing for netbooks,let say less than $50 per license for OEM."

OEM's pay about that amount already anyway. System Builders pay more (see my previous comment).

re: Nipping silliness in the bud: Windows 7 SKUs and pricing

timiteh — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:06:45 GMT

"I believe that there should only be three Windows 7 SKUs: Home, Professional, and Ultimate. That’s it."

If Microsoft don't come with a netbook edition then they will have to implement full support of flash drive in all version of Windows.This could enable the upcoming of PC with both flash drive,for the system, and hard drive for mass storage.

" Not two Home versions. No Enterprise. No Starter. "

Agree both Home Basic and Starter would be useless.

I live in a third world country and i haven't seen yet a single person using Starter or willing to use it.

I think that people here would rather use Linux than use Starter editions.

Enterprise edition is redundant with Professional, so...

"I also feel that Windows needs to be less expensive, especially at retail, where no one is buying the product anyway. You should be able to get Home or Pro for $99 and Ultimate for $150. Anything higher is ludicrous."

I agree but Microsoft should offer a special OEM licensing for netbooks,let say less than $50 per license for OEM.

Otherwise Windows 7 based netbooks could prove to be too expensive compared to the upcoming $200 Linux based ARM netbooks.