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re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

mikegalos@msn.com — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:17:02 GMT

JoshW

"And everyone for got to mention the TV!"

A few reasons:

The TV is an invention that really doesn't have a single point of invention since it really isn't clear what the "first TV" really is.

The technologies that we use now came from multiple sources with the key piece probably being Philo T. Farnsworth's Image Dissector in 1928 which allowed for the first non-mechanical system of converting light images to electrical signals.

We really like saying Phil T. Farnsworth. It just rolls off the tongue.

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

mikegalos@msn.com — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:05:00 GMT

cesjr

You keep using this word "vaporware". I do not think it means what you think it means.

Microsoft shipped developer kits for Project Natal to partners the morning of the demo.

By your definition, Snow Leopard is vaporware since it's only been shipped to development partners and Apple demonstrated a year ago. So, let's look at your words again with a little substitution:

Apple would not promote vaporware unless it was good for them. And anything that helps Apple (or its offerings) hurts competitors. So it does hurt them. Is it a lot? Hard to say. But again Apple would not do it unless it was effective.

Even if it didn't hurt competitors, it's not helpful to consumers. It's more like confusing. Apple is promising things it won't necessarily deliver. They could easily wait until the product is ready or close to ready, but they don't.

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

JoshW — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:58:37 GMT

Ok ok guys, fair enough he was British though the inventor of the www which is what i ment oringally i need to brush up on my history sorry. As for the telephone we developed it thanks. And everyone for got to mention the TV!

Case closed ill check my facts next time.

And ppl is the windows 7 without internet explorer just in a sperate E version and N versions or in all versions im still confused as are many ppl i have spoke 2 elseware?

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

cesjr — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:53:14 GMT

"So, explain to me how a non-shipping demo of a potential product is somehow damaging to the Wii? "

MS would not promote vaporware unless it was good for them. And anything that helps MS (or its game offerings) hurts competitors. So it does hurt them. Is it a lot? Hard to say. But again MS would not do it unless it was effective.

Even if it didn't hurt competitors, it's not helpful to consumers. It's more like confusing. MS is promising things it won't necessarily deliver. They could easily wait until the product is ready or close to ready, but they don't.

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

mikegalos@msn.com — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:51:14 GMT

chessnuts

"just because Berners-Lee might have been British doesn't necessarily mean he invented the hypertext in Britain."

And, for that matter, Tim Berners-Lee didn't invent hypertext which had been around in many forms for many years.

He did invent a hypertext markup language derived from IBM's GML markup language family but stopped well short of Ted Nelson's Xanadu hypertext system. (Both of which predate html by a decade or two)

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

chessnuts — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:58:38 GMT

I believe that the internet root servers should be handed over to CERN under the hands of faithful (I hope) scientists or more preferably to the W3C.

The UN is also a better choice than having it under the authoritiy of any nation which still invades countries, but I can see that is a controversial suggestion on this thread.

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

chessnuts — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:48:20 GMT

To any poster who believes that the web was invented in Britain, just because Berners-Lee might have been British doesn't necessarily mean he invented the hypertext in Britain.

@mikegalos

You proved your point, but you didn't need to put across so harsh. It's not as if I was desperate to debate that the internet was invented in US/Europe. E.g. "Deal with it." - come on you could have left this part out.

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

mikegalos@msn.com — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:39:37 GMT

Josh

"I stand corrected the internet was invented in America but the World Wide Web (just as important as the internet) was invented in Britain. "

Um. No. the World Wide Web was invented at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland. The protocols were primarily created by a British research but I'm pretty sure that Geneva didn't suddenly move to Britain.

(And, before you go there, despite William Blake, Jerusalem wasn't outside Glastonbury)

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

gorath — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:35:52 GMT

JoshW, the Web (html) was not created in Britain. It was created in Geneva, at CERN, by an Englishman.

three things that WERE invented in britain include the first electronic computer, invented my Mr Tommy Flowers of the Post Office (no, really, it just sounds bonkers!) the telephone (contentiously, it may well have been an italian fellow however) and the Jet Engine, by Frank Whittle.

all three of these inventions were created in Britain, but were shot down as useless, and pretty much handed over to other countries to develop.

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

Dipsh t Admin — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:14:57 GMT

"MS's vaporware tactics , while legal, are in fact harmful to consumers by damaging companies with legitimate shipping products."

You're kidding, right? I mean, it just doesn't make any sense. So, explain to me how a non-shipping demo of a potential product is somehow damaging to the Wii? If another product, in this case the Wii, is on such shaky ground that others even mentioning the development of a competing product is damaging, then the product, in this case, the Wii, must not have been very good to begin with.

Under your reasoning, I guess we can lump in Disney, since their Tomorrowland exhibit is all about vaporware, and it therefore must be damaging to competitors.

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

JoshW — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:58:11 GMT

I stand corrected the internet was invented in America but the World Wide Web (just as important as the internet) was invented in Britain. As for sovenity no offense to America but I get the impression from this side of the pond that America thinks it owns everyone and everything this is not the case. No one nation owns the world wide web or the internet it belongs to humanity

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

shark47 — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:31:24 GMT

Don't OEMs already install crapware on systems? It's not like Microsoft can stop them from installing 10 other browsers. The EC is trying to make money out of this.

"I'm right. It's great to see windows zealots finally seeing that MS's vaporware tactics , while legal, are in fact harmful to consumers by damaging companies with legitimate shippiong products."

Actually, I didn't say that, but considering who I'm talking to, I'll leave it right there.

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

cesjr — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:23:56 GMT

"You're absolutely right. Project Natal was developed with the sole purpose of kicking people in the groin."

Hey thanks for acknowledging I'm right. It's great to see windows zealots finally seeing that MS's vaporware tactics , while legal, are in fact harmful to consumers by damaging companies with legitimate shippiong products. I never thought I'd see that admission here.

re: Newsflash: Europe to get Windows 7 'E' versions sans IE

panache1023 — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:22:35 GMT

Upon further reading, it doesn't look like the EU is totally happy with...they are now saying this is LESS choice for consumers...they would like to see the users get to choose which browser they want, I guess during installation?

A lot of Linux distros do that...you get to select the stuff you want during setup...which media players, browsers, whatever.

I think what made Windows so easy to install though was that you get all that stuff installed for you by default...and then get to go download whatever else it is you want instead, want in addition to, or whatever...

This really is kind of stupid.