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Last post 10-30-2007 1:25 AM by lsproc. 9 replies.
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  • 10-18-2007 5:38 PM

    thoughts on vista

    I had a thought about Vista..

    But first Paul your contact email doesnt work, I tried to contact to to you asked you what brand of NIMH batteries you were talking about on your podcast.

    But the mail gets returned with an error. 

    Did you do a review on NIMH batteries please? 

    Anyway concerning Vista

    When XP first came out it wasnt that great, everyone hated it, gamers avoided it like crazy.(even I hated it)

    XP required more pc horse power, than windows 98/windows 2000/NT and as a result didn’t perform as well

    XP required above average kit, and would turn a ok machine under win98/win2000 into a badly performing one.

    Maybe people resented this and didnt see any point in xp at all.

    Also many of the the new features in xp took a long time to be understood and appreciated by most people.

    This is the current problem with Vista. Its sweet spot performance wise is a lot higher than xp and probably always will be.

    However in a couple of years no one will care since PCs will be far beyond that vista sweet spot and it wont matter.

    In fact in the future vista will probably start to out perform XP,.

    As XP does now with 98/W2K with kit less than a couple of years old.


     

  • 10-19-2007 11:50 PM In reply to

    Re: thoughts on vista

    Persionally i fined that vista has been getting a terrible label by the average joe smoe. Youtube and other places like that havent been helping it at all. People like to complain and thats what everyone is doing now. Lots of people are moving to the mac out of fustration or being scared to use vista. Also any problem people have on an os the finger is always pointed at the operating system itself. I think microsoft might see alot of people switching to linux or OSX over the next year. I personaly love using vista so i won't be changing my OS any time soon.

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  • 10-20-2007 1:09 PM In reply to

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    Yeah I agree, ive gone back to xp a few times, for various reasons but I keep comming back to vista.

    Personally I think people just jump on a hate bandwagon when they dont really have a clue.
     

    People still bash Windows Media Player just because it was awful in the past, even though most people who use WMP 11 say its great.

     

  • 10-21-2007 7:07 PM In reply to

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    Honestly, I would say I agree with this notion...Vista is most definitely an improvement over XP and people will grow to lke it....and the negative bugs, like compatibilit,driver maturity, and all will come over time. I just can only hope I have better experiences in the coming days than I have had so far with my brand new Vista-running Lenovo T61...weird Windows Update issues out of the box, networking issues.

  • 10-25-2007 4:10 PM In reply to

    Re: thoughts on vista

    I think some of you guys are approaching new Microsoft Windows with a different philosophy. When I had my old Packard Bell from 1997, it orginally ran Windows 95. I did upgrade it to Windows 98 and it ran just as well as 95. After that computer died, I decided after watching my father build his own system that perhaps upgrading an old machine to a new OS was the wrong approach.

    When Microsoft builds a new OS, it looks at what technology is coming out around the time of launch or within a year after its launch. When Microsoft has enough technical information to include a new technology into Windows, it integrates it inside to push the technology forward. By constantly trying to upgrade equipment for a different era, you spend a lot of money on upgrades to the machine to keep it running. The investment cost in new memory, hard drives, graphics cards, DVD/CD drives, monitors, keyboards, mouse, and other peripherals eventually leads to new parts that don't get the full bang for the buck.

    I decided I would start building my new machines on a six year rotation. Usually thats about the time when Microsoft launches a new Windows.  Retiring these upgraded old machines and embracing the new technologies that the new Windows is built around, I found out that I was in the long term spending a lot less on components. I avoided many of the driver conflicts, compatability problems, and performance slowdowns that you get with keeping a system running. It has been my experience that in a 6 year computer life, a major refresh of hardware components at the 3 year mark is perfect. Its good for your cash and if your lucky, many of the components from the old machine can be reused in a new machine.

    This is why Apple is having some issues with their hard core fans. They hold on to these outdated machines while Apple keeps string them along with legacy support. Its what kept Apple down in the 1990s. Now Apple is getting smart by getting rid of the old processors and jumping fresh on the intel platform. However, now Apple allows no competition in their hardware in the fact that Intel is the only processor manufactuer for Macs. I think that AMD has proven themselves as reliable and a damn good processor maker. Its so proprietary that competition cannot truely happen on such tightly integrated and proprietary platform.

    I bought from Fry's a GQ machine that ran Windows Vista Home Basic. Thankfully, the ECS board inside had many upgrade options. Taking out its Sempron processor, I upgraded the mahcine to a Athlon 64 X 2 dual core processor on the existing board. I then upgraded from the onboard graphics to ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO. I then beefed up the existing 512 MB to 1 Gig of memory. I added a new 300 GB drive and kept the existing 120 GB drive as extra space. Finally, I installed Windows Vista Ultimate edition, thanks to an Anytime Upgrade. Now a machine that was a good starter PC, is now an agressive Ultimate Edition PC that still cheaper than any Mac. My remaining future upgrades include a memory bump to 2 or 4 gigs, an HD Monitor, and a new DVD drive. As it stands today, the PC runs Vista with no outstanding issues. Previous machines that were built fully from scratch, ran XP with no issues.

    My feelings on Vista is that all Windows OSes are designed to push the technology foward. If thats the prevailing thought, then pushing a machine not designed for the OS is ultimately futile. By realizing that a new Windows OS means its time for a hardware change and a software change, you ultimately put the best engine in the car. It would be like trying to build a 2009 Camero but putting in a 2001 era 4 cylinder engine. Just like muscle cars need powerful engines to accent the design, Windows needs new processors, memory, drives, etc. By going with a six year rotation with a 3rd year upgrade of components, you get the most bang for your buck. You also get a Windows machine that performs better than most Macs.

    I know some of you like the old machines and OSes, but looking at the security issues from 98, 2000, and XP, holding on to these platforms creates greater security instability. It was the millions of unpatched 2000 and XP machines that allowed blaster to have a chokehold on the internet. It took the Dallas Independent School Distict almost 6 months in erradicating Blaster because of their ancient machines. I even found a functional Windows 3.11 system hooked online in one of their libraries! I was shocked to see such an ancient machine in the XP and 2000 era. But it was able to hold the files necessary to transmit Blaster all over the district!

    I think its important for Windows users to create a good schedule of updates and upgrades. Its even more important to know when to bury a system and not letting emotions get in the way of performance. Keeping your PC secure, getting the most out of your PC, and avoiding problems is learning when to let go of an old system is critical. Having a system that performs well and is cost efficient is a system that I like. Having one that hasn't been properly maintenanced, needing updates, and runs poorly often fustrates me.

  • 10-27-2007 8:29 AM In reply to

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    The news reported Microsoft is making a large profit on Vista, and it is doing great. The reason for this is they are holding the consumers down and forcing it down our throat. . They are saying you will like it, not that you might like it .

    Dell is the only manufacture still selling XP (business) on its systems. Vista for most of us is just another ME version of Windows . Hardware doesn’t work with it , software doesn’t work with it. We the consumers are buying it because we have no choice not because we like it. I purchased a New HP laptop  and it forced me to agree to using Vista  and would not go any further until I agreed to the terms of HP and Microsoft  that’s not fair I should have had a choice to not agree with the terms of the agreement , How do you spell CLASS ACTION ……. Maybe that will get them to either fix it or give you the option not to put vista on your machine . I encourage all the consumers to go and buy the machine then take it back if your hardware or software does not work . why should you have to go and buy a new Laser printer because Microsoft is forcing the manufactures to put Vista on machines , if they get enough machines back you will se a downgrade  option for all users not just the Vista Business users .Every time you return a machine the manufacture has to sell it as refurbished and takes a hit on it. As a consumer this is the way you can speak out and say no to Vista.

     

  • 10-27-2007 9:17 AM In reply to

    Re: thoughts on vista

    If HP wont give you an option regarding OS, dont buy HP.

    Dell will sell you pcs with linux installed. Or build your own.


    I dont see how MS can force firms to sell vista, you could be right but I dont see how they can.

     Hp has a lot of power I cant see MS forcing them to do anything more like the other way around.


     

  • 10-27-2007 11:05 PM In reply to

    Re: thoughts on vista

    You are not forced to use vista. Also if you didint notice it says it comes with it. Also if your complaining about vista's agreement then you might want to complain about all the agreements for every software ever made. Also they do not force you to get vista. Its just standard with most computers. Also most of "US' in the term dont complain about it.
    Its only a small majority that do. Also if you dont agree to the terms then you dont buy it... (if you didint know companys actually dont sell you the OS you pay for the logo and the case.) vista is in other words free if it came with the computer. So who cares?

  • 10-28-2007 8:32 AM In reply to

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    This is not true, the machine will not Boot will not even see the hard drive until You agree to the terms and conditions. I am not Complaining about vista’s agreement , I am complain about being forced to agree to get access to the hard drive . If I didn’t buy I would not be here complaining about it now would I , I would of never know I was forced to agree to the terms until I turned it on . It is far from free and that is my point it will cost consumers Billions of dollars . New hardware and new software for your system. That’s not free. Vista  is great if all you do is surf the net but if your machine only has 1 gig of ram forget it . If you can live with the 3.5 min boot up time and the 1.5 min shut down time . I guess it is ok, for me I just returned the machine and ordered one from Dell with XP on it , in a few years they may have it fixed but for now vista is ME2.

  • 10-30-2007 1:25 AM In reply to

    Re: thoughts on vista

    Xtreem0:

    You are not forced to use vista. Also if you didint notice it says it comes with it. Also if your complaining about vista's agreement then you might want to complain about all the agreements for every software ever made. Also they do not force you to get vista. Its just standard with most computers. Also most of "US' in the term dont complain about it.
    Its only a small majority that do. Also if you dont agree to the terms then you dont buy it... (if you didint know companys actually dont sell you the OS you pay for the logo and the case.) vista is in other words free if it came with the computer. So who cares?


    Wrong!

     You have to pay the £50 "Microsoft Tax", aka your windows license.

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